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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.beginrunning.com/injury/knee-patella-pain/comment-page-1/#comment-6706</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2011 17:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dan  

i&#039;ve had that same problem since i was 11-years-old and i played soccer.  

i stopped sports for years after i was 12 and it wasn&#039;t until i was 20 that i began playing racquetball regularly.

when i started jogging, i would get that.  not sure what it is but you aren&#039;t alone!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dan  </p>
<p>i&#8217;ve had that same problem since i was 11-years-old and i played soccer.  </p>
<p>i stopped sports for years after i was 12 and it wasn&#8217;t until i was 20 that i began playing racquetball regularly.</p>
<p>when i started jogging, i would get that.  not sure what it is but you aren&#8217;t alone!</p>
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		<title>By: beginrunning</title>
		<link>http://www.beginrunning.com/injury/knee-patella-pain/comment-page-1/#comment-1824</link>
		<dc:creator>beginrunning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 10:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dan - I always put off a visit to specialist, but it can end up being more expensive in the long run! At least there&#039;s no pain with the popping and I know some peoples joints are more noisy than others. My personal preference would be to wear a patella strap only if recommended by a doctor or physiotherapist and also ask if they suggest any rehab / strengthening exercise to improve knee stabilization instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dan &#8211; I always put off a visit to specialist, but it can end up being more expensive in the long run! At least there&#8217;s no pain with the popping and I know some peoples joints are more noisy than others. My personal preference would be to wear a patella strap only if recommended by a doctor or physiotherapist and also ask if they suggest any rehab / strengthening exercise to improve knee stabilization instead.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.beginrunning.com/injury/knee-patella-pain/comment-page-1/#comment-1782</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2010 12:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also have a soreness on my right knee immediately when I stop running. However, it goes away after I perform my 5-minute cool-down walk.

I have developed a new issue. There is a popping sensation above my right knee cap that occurs about an hour after I complete my 30 minute run. It started shortly after I switched from an all-weather track to asphalt. It is completely painless and the popping usually dissipates within a day or two. Should I be concerned? I read somewhere that I should wear a patella strap on the knee to help stabilize the knee cap.

I would rather try suggestions before spending money to visit a specialist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also have a soreness on my right knee immediately when I stop running. However, it goes away after I perform my 5-minute cool-down walk.</p>
<p>I have developed a new issue. There is a popping sensation above my right knee cap that occurs about an hour after I complete my 30 minute run. It started shortly after I switched from an all-weather track to asphalt. It is completely painless and the popping usually dissipates within a day or two. Should I be concerned? I read somewhere that I should wear a patella strap on the knee to help stabilize the knee cap.</p>
<p>I would rather try suggestions before spending money to visit a specialist.</p>
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		<title>By: beginrunning</title>
		<link>http://www.beginrunning.com/injury/knee-patella-pain/comment-page-1/#comment-1616</link>
		<dc:creator>beginrunning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 17:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Zuber - For some exercises the physio didn&#039;t give fixed set/reps numbers. He recommended doing walking lunges and straight leg raises frequently during the day. He suggested doing walking lunges every time I went to make coffee or left my desk.  An easy way of getting the exercises done but it could generate a few comments from co-workers, unless you work in the Ministry of Silly Walks.   If you wanted to incorporate the exercises into a routine a good starting rep range might be 3 sets of 5 reps for walking lunges, 3 sets of 10 reps for Straight Leg Raises and  3 sets of 10 reps for the Step Downs. It&#039;s worth going easy with lunges as they need to be performed correctly so you may want reduce the total number to begin with.  The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.beginrunning.com/tck.php?m=itb-stretch&quot;&gt;static ITB Stretch&lt;/a&gt; after running may also help .

As you noticed, it&#039;s been a while since I posted about these problems!  Despite a slow return to running and exercise after an enforced break earlier this year I&#039;ve not had any issues with ITB syndrome or Plantar fasciitis.  I occasionally use lower, off road shoes with little support so the exercises must have helped.  I&#039;ve continued these and added other strengthening exercises, both weighted and body weight, although I sometime get a slight knee twinge after longer runs. For ideas I&#039;ve found Mike Boyle&#039;s book &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/073604681X?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=beginrunning-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=073604681X&quot;&gt;Functional Training for Sports&lt;/a&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=beginrunning-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=073604681X&quot; width=&quot;1&quot; height=&quot;1&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; style=&quot;border:none !important; margin:0px !important;&quot; /&gt; really useful,  although I had a couple of sessions with a trainer to ensure I was performing the exercises correctly. I&#039;ve still got skinny legs although they&#039;re not quite as skinny as they were a couple of years ago.  Unfortunately they still don&#039;t look too good in a pair of shorts but they do seem to work a lot better! Good luck correcting your problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Zuber &#8211; For some exercises the physio didn&#8217;t give fixed set/reps numbers. He recommended doing walking lunges and straight leg raises frequently during the day. He suggested doing walking lunges every time I went to make coffee or left my desk.  An easy way of getting the exercises done but it could generate a few comments from co-workers, unless you work in the Ministry of Silly Walks.   If you wanted to incorporate the exercises into a routine a good starting rep range might be 3 sets of 5 reps for walking lunges, 3 sets of 10 reps for Straight Leg Raises and  3 sets of 10 reps for the Step Downs. It&#8217;s worth going easy with lunges as they need to be performed correctly so you may want reduce the total number to begin with.  The <a href="http://www.beginrunning.com/tck.php?m=itb-stretch">static ITB Stretch</a> after running may also help .</p>
<p>As you noticed, it&#8217;s been a while since I posted about these problems!  Despite a slow return to running and exercise after an enforced break earlier this year I&#8217;ve not had any issues with ITB syndrome or Plantar fasciitis.  I occasionally use lower, off road shoes with little support so the exercises must have helped.  I&#8217;ve continued these and added other strengthening exercises, both weighted and body weight, although I sometime get a slight knee twinge after longer runs. For ideas I&#8217;ve found Mike Boyle&#8217;s book <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/073604681X?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=beginrunning-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=073604681X">Functional Training for Sports</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=beginrunning-20&#038;l=as2&#038;o=1&#038;a=073604681X" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" /> really useful,  although I had a couple of sessions with a trainer to ensure I was performing the exercises correctly. I&#8217;ve still got skinny legs although they&#8217;re not quite as skinny as they were a couple of years ago.  Unfortunately they still don&#8217;t look too good in a pair of shorts but they do seem to work a lot better! Good luck correcting your problem.</p>
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		<title>By: zuber</title>
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		<dc:creator>zuber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 19:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

I am glad to hear that these exercises are working!
I also am skinny legged, slightly flat footed and bow legged with mild to moderate over pronation... I was told this by the Saucony running shoes people today after having my gait analysed. He recommended that I buy a pair of shoes for over pronation. I would first like to try to correct the problem rather than compensate for it and your story about your knees and the strength of your legs strikes a chord with me.  You have suggested some reps for some of the exercises, but not for others. Do you just do them till you can&#039;t do anymore?

My god... I just looked at the date of your blog! any update on your problems?

Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I am glad to hear that these exercises are working!<br />
I also am skinny legged, slightly flat footed and bow legged with mild to moderate over pronation&#8230; I was told this by the Saucony running shoes people today after having my gait analysed. He recommended that I buy a pair of shoes for over pronation. I would first like to try to correct the problem rather than compensate for it and your story about your knees and the strength of your legs strikes a chord with me.  You have suggested some reps for some of the exercises, but not for others. Do you just do them till you can&#8217;t do anymore?</p>
<p>My god&#8230; I just looked at the date of your blog! any update on your problems?</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: beginrunning</title>
		<link>http://www.beginrunning.com/injury/knee-patella-pain/comment-page-1/#comment-45</link>
		<dc:creator>beginrunning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 15:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Amy - Nice to hear from a fellow sufferer! It seems that the knee tracking issue was caused by a weak vastus medialis (VMO), exacerbated by overpronation. The physiotherapist felt the the amount of bow in my legs wasn&#039;t a contributing factor. I was surprised when he said that since I had always been very conscious of the bowing. I had even considered surgery as a teenager and an orthopedic surgeon said it was possible to straighten my legs by removing parts of the femur. Thankfully I didn&#039;t go ahead with the surgery. I guess it&#039;s a case of perceiving the bowing as worse than it really is and having skinny legs certainly makes the shape appear more pronounced - especially to me.  I don&#039;t have &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genu_varum&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;severe bow leggedness &lt;/a&gt; though.

I still have occasional knee problems but they are fairly minor and more like discomfort than pain. Often this is due to running down hill too fast or just overdoing it.  I&#039;ve kept up the strengthening exercise so my legs aren&#039;t quite a skinny as they used to be!  I think this is the reason for improvement since I gave up using an expensive pair of custom orthotics now my legs are stronger.  I still get iliotibial band syndrome even though stretching regularly and maybe keeping the orthotics would have helped here.  It&#039;s just part of life now and I&#039;ve got used to having ITB syndrome after a strenuous run or spending a long time on my feet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Amy &#8211; Nice to hear from a fellow sufferer! It seems that the knee tracking issue was caused by a weak vastus medialis (VMO), exacerbated by overpronation. The physiotherapist felt the the amount of bow in my legs wasn&#8217;t a contributing factor. I was surprised when he said that since I had always been very conscious of the bowing. I had even considered surgery as a teenager and an orthopedic surgeon said it was possible to straighten my legs by removing parts of the femur. Thankfully I didn&#8217;t go ahead with the surgery. I guess it&#8217;s a case of perceiving the bowing as worse than it really is and having skinny legs certainly makes the shape appear more pronounced &#8211; especially to me.  I don&#8217;t have <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genu_varum" target="_blank">severe bow leggedness </a> though.</p>
<p>I still have occasional knee problems but they are fairly minor and more like discomfort than pain. Often this is due to running down hill too fast or just overdoing it.  I&#8217;ve kept up the strengthening exercise so my legs aren&#8217;t quite a skinny as they used to be!  I think this is the reason for improvement since I gave up using an expensive pair of custom orthotics now my legs are stronger.  I still get iliotibial band syndrome even though stretching regularly and maybe keeping the orthotics would have helped here.  It&#8217;s just part of life now and I&#8217;ve got used to having ITB syndrome after a strenuous run or spending a long time on my feet.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
		<link>http://www.beginrunning.com/injury/knee-patella-pain/comment-page-1/#comment-41</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 02:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello there,

Great Info!  I&#039;m flat footed, have skinny legs and also bow legged.  Was wondering if you found out if bow legs contributed to the tracking problem in your knee.  Do you still have knee problems with your skinny legs?  Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello there,</p>
<p>Great Info!  I&#8217;m flat footed, have skinny legs and also bow legged.  Was wondering if you found out if bow legs contributed to the tracking problem in your knee.  Do you still have knee problems with your skinny legs?  Thanks</p>
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